BRUHN: They’ve probably given them money and an estate, and tied their hands in that way.[301] Or else the people have got annoyed and said: ‘That’s nothing to do with me; leave me in peace!’
FELBERT: You see it in the case of BLASKOWITZ. They simply got rid of him.[302]
BRUHN: Did he actually bring a thing like that up? With whom?
FELBERT: He brought it up in the OKW, I believe. As a result the man was simply sacked; he went immediately.
BRUHN: Then we who are regular officers must advocate that men be shot who are themselves wearing our uniform.
FELBERT: Naturally you must.
BRUHN: We must even disassociate ourselves from our
FELBERT: Yes, because they knew. They knew about it without any doubt.
BRUHN: Well, give me a motive.
FELBERT: What do those people call a motive?
BRUHN: To get promotion? That makes it even
FELBERT: Those people all miscalculated. They all said to themselves: ‘The war is nearly over anyway.’
BRUHN: Yes, but surely I can’t miscalculate on questions of honour?
FELBERT: Oh,
BRUHN: But they must have. We’ve always preached it; after all we were ‘Bataillon’ and ‘Regimentskommandeure.’
FELBERT: We have no honour either. We have ambition, filthy ambition, filthiest ambition, but nothing more.
BRUHN: Do you believe then, that, not with individuals but with the mass of people, their ambition is so great that even if they are regular officers–I’m speaking only of those and not of the SS–they shrink from no measures whatever, just to serve their ambition?
FELBERT: I don’t know what was behind it all. Of course, it’s also possible that pressure was brought to bear on them.
BRUHN: But there was always the possibility of simulating illness and saying: ‘I can’t do it any more.’ Do you really think they soberly said to themselves: ‘Might is Right’ and ‘we’ll win the war and then no one will worry about that.’ But in that case those people can have no conscience at all.
FELBERT: They haven’t.
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WAHLE: Once, in 1941, we liquidated a Russian Commissar[303] who had been captured on his way
ELFELDT: In what area did it happen?
WAHLE: It occurred near PRTEMOVSK;[304] do you know the place, it’s near BACHMUT. The town used to be called BACHMUT and lies between ROSTOV and KHARKOV.
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KITTEL: I forbade that at DVINSK and the immediate result was that it stopped at once. I didn’t have any say in the matter at STALINO, that’s to say the tragedy had already taken place, and it had also already taken place at ROSTOV; the people had already been killed there, but it was put down to my account. I shall certainly be named as a war criminal. 18,000 Jews were killed at ROSTOV. Of course I had nothing to do with the whole affair! But it is down on my account because I was the only known ‘General’ there.[305]
EBERBACH: Who is really responsible for the affair? There’s no doubt at all that the FÜHRER knew all about this massacre of the Jews.