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Pollock got to see a side of Layne most didn’t see in public. “He was a very caring and feeling individual. He cared about people around him and friends and things like that, but at the same time he’s this cocky, irreverent rock-and-roll guy that’s going to be telling people to screw off, being an anarchist, that kind of thing.”

Pollock said Layne never had anything bad to say about his stepfather. “He may joke about [him] irreverently, because he was a parent and we were seventeen and all adults are stupid at that age.” He also said Layne had good relationships with his sisters. Layne and Pollock would sometimes tease Jamie, who was about seven or eight years old at the time. “We called her Chewbacca, because her hair was like round on the top. It was just a way to tease her, and it got at her.”

Inevitably, the two friends would turn on each other. Pollock says Layne made fun of his last name, calling him Polack. One time, he randomly called Layne “Lance Rutherford Elmer” and touched a nerve. “It would make him madder than fuck. He would get so angry at me, he would be ready to get out of the goddamn moving car,” he recalled. “Whenever he would be shitty to me and piss me off, I would start going down that road and then he’d shut up.”

Pollock had forgotten what the Rutherford name meant until he was interviewed for this book. James Bergstrom doesn’t recall how they found out about it. “I think he confided in us. I think we were having one of our band talks. I don’t know if it was just him and I, because I don’t think I told anybody because he asked me not to.” He did confirm Pollock’s account that Layne’s middle name was a very touchy subject. “He hated that. He basically swore to us, ‘Don’t you ever tell ANYBODY.’” Layne turned eighteen on August 22, 1985. At some point, he went to court and legally changed his name to Layne Thomas Staley—the name he would be known by for the rest of his life—to get rid of the Rutherford middle name he so disliked.

By this point, there were tensions between Layne and his mother. Pollock witnessed a few of their arguments when he was at the house. “His mother is very strong-willed and has her own definite opinions, and they clashed a lot with Layne, and Layne rebelled against that.”

What was Layne rebelling against?

“I would say that it pretty much centered around her sense of morality and how that connects with religion. I believe she was a Christian Scientist at the time.

“I have in my mind these images of sitting at the bar with him in the kitchen, witnessing a fight build up between the two of them and how he would get snarky with her, and how she would push back. I think I got a really good relationship with my father, but she reminded me of him in the sense that she had an agency to her that was like a man, and she wasn’t going to take any dissent whatsoever. The more he escalated with what he was saying, the more she would try to hammer him down.

“I felt, and I still to this day feel, that she was too hard on him and she really pushed him away in a lot of ways, in ways where I think she alienated him.” These tensions eventually resulted in Layne’s moving out of the house. Pollock does not recall the specific circumstances. “I don’t believe as I understood it from him that it was necessarily his choice. And at least in the moment, he was more than happy to go. But I remember his talking about it.”

Was it his impression that there was an ultimatum and Layne called it?

“Something along those lines, yes, I do believe so.”

“It was part of his life. It’s part of Nancy’s life. She’s got her viewpoint on what happened, Layne had his viewpoint on what happened, I have my viewpoint on what happened because I had been in their house during these occasions, and I think I described that well enough. I’ve also got my recollections on how it affected him, and what that was.”

Pollock tried to get his parents to take Layne in, but this wasn’t an option because Pollock’s disabled sister required assistance, so his parents couldn’t have another person there.

Jim Elmer agreed with Pollock’s assessment that there was an ultimatum, saying it was a culmination of discussions and arguments between Layne and both of his parents about his drug use. “We had several conversations,” Elmer recalled. “‘We don’t want drugs in the house. You’ve got two little sisters here, and this is going to be a drug-free house, and so if you want to continue taking drugs, then you can’t be here.’ So it didn’t happen just in one day, but Layne definitely knew what was expected of him in terms of the drug issue, and we just couldn’t bend on that for him.”

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